It’s Not Just About A Pool Table


By Sharon McGriff Payne

How does a city move forward when it continues to cling to its past? It’s the question we Vallejoans are grappling with as our population grows older and browner.

And nowhere is that question more important than at Vallejo’s only senior center, The Florence Douglas Senior Center.

A sobering reminder of how our city is changing has played out in recent months as local groups have questioned how older African American men have been treated by FDSC leadership.

Here’s where a little Vallejo history might help explain the senior center’s present struggle. The center opened in 1977. It was the brainchild of Vallejo’s first woman mayor, Florence Douglas and countless other Vallejo seniors.

More than 50 civic and service organizations met at the early center; however, few, if any, people of color were involved. Many center participants were retired Mare Island Naval Shipyard workers. My African American parents, and their friends who were age eligible to belong to the FDSC when it opened in the 1970s, rarely spoke of the senior center. The message was clear – they felt unwelcomed at the center.

Fast forward to 2015. Vallejo’s population consists of 74 percent people of color. Yet the FDSC continues to function largely under white leadership. This is the same leadership that authorized FDSC director Peter Wilson to sell the gifted CC Sabathia pool table and approved the hiring of an armed security guard “just in case” following the sale of the pool table.

Like the FDSC, our elected city leaders seem to be clueless regarding our senior population. In 2009, the city quietly disbanded the Commission on Aging claiming lack of participation.

When the news first broke in December 2014 about the removal of the pool table, city leaders stayed silent. When pressed about the issue, some city council members said they had no jurisdiction over the FDSC, which is a non-profit agency.

On April 14, city council members voted 4-3 to not sponsor a study session to deal with citizen concerns about the senior center. Mayor Osby Davis said any intervention by the city council would be “very dangerous.”

While some of our city leaders seem more comfortable with their heads in the sand regarding this and other issues pertaining to seniors, we can partially take the blame for what seems their lack of interest.

Vallejo’s seniors, including me, have not advocated for our issues and concerns in recent years. While we seniors vote in large numbers, rarely do we ask for anything in return for our vote. We have Gray Power, yet we are not using it to our advantage.

It’s time for our senior center to recognize that the population that dominated the center is, in the words of FDSC director Wilson, “dwindling.”

Instead of seeing that as a negative, it’s time for center leadership to cast their nets wider to a thriving, more vibrant senior population that reflects our city’s diversity.

If the present FDSC leadership chooses to stay in the past it will guarantee the decline – and possible end – of Vallejo’s only senior center. And what a shame that will be.

 

Sharon McGriff Payne is a longtime Vallejo resident, author and historian.

 

 

Note: All opinions expressed in this column are those of the writer and not necessarily those of the Vallejo Independent Bulletin


'It’s Not Just About A Pool Table' have 40 comments

  1. May 6, 2015 @ 11:54 am Peter Minton

    You are always playing the race card. Any respect you ever had has been lost. If you have such a problem then form a Black senior center.

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    • May 6, 2015 @ 4:23 pm Shelee Loughmiller

      Seriously Peter? It’s obvious from your comment that you know very little about this issue or Sharon. But please, do keep your head in the sand and accept the status quo of inequality and apathy. Thankfully that’s not how Sharon and all the other activists seeking redress think.

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      • May 10, 2015 @ 12:09 pm tramky

        What exactly is inequality in this general context? The word is used as a tagline for many things by certain groups of people, including politicians and various activists, but the meaning is rarely if ever described. The same issue surrounds the use of the antonym–equality. What exactly is meant by THAT? How is so-called ‘equality’ to be achieved? How do we know it HAS been achieved? What are the markers?

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    • May 6, 2015 @ 6:32 pm Sharon McGriff Payne

      Peter Minton – somehow your not respecting me has no meaning for me and is completely lost with your statement: “If you have such a problem then form a Black senior center.” Sadly, statements like yours only gives credence to our issues with the FDSC. Such an attitude led to the removal of the pool table last November. For far too long the senior center has been operated in a way that ignores our large senior community. No, we won’t start a black senior center – I pay taxes on the one on Amador Street and we are going to keep pushing to make it Vallejo senior center we can ALL call our own.

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    • Monica T

      May 6, 2015 @ 7:45 pm Monica T

      I cannot believe you actually wrote that. What color is your “card?” just curious…

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  2. May 6, 2015 @ 4:13 pm LFM

    Not sure what exactly “playing the race card” means here. It seems that any time that race enters into a discussion, those that feel uncomfortable with having a real dialog throw out the “playing the race card” card. No one is trying to re-establish segregation here in Vallejo. It is 2015. All members are entitled to fair and equal treatment at the Florence Douglas Senior Center. That’s a reasonable request.

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  3. May 6, 2015 @ 4:55 pm ImtalkinHere

    Okay, so let’s leave race out of the discussion. There are people who don’t and haven’t felt welcome at the senior center. Apparently if you aren’t part of an old guard, a clique, you aren’t welcomed with open arms. There are claimed territories within the center and there is a sense of played favorites there. Any infringement on those spaces are met with hostilities. So new comers that try and change that environment are frowned upon. A group of men, some long time members and some actual volunteers that work and help out at the center, we’re treated with bias and disrespect. The new Director, apparently not experienced with conflict resolution skills, made a decision to not deal with any issues of space and time sharing. Instead, he decided to appease a group of favored clique members and essentially give away a valued piece of Senior Center property. The problem was that his decision, which the Board of Directors agreed with, was in violation of the center’s bylaws. In fact, the subsequent donation of this pool table, which he had to repurchase for a price 17 times greater than he sold it for, was also a violation of the bylaws.
    It seems that apparently no administrator at the center cares that rules are being violated. This is even less of an issue than the mistreatment of some of the members. These violations and disregard for transparency can lead to the loss of the center’s nonprofit status. That should be of concern for the community. Right? Regardless to who is being mistreated or treated with bias, it’s not a good way to run a community senior facility. The center belongs to everyone that pays for membership and people should expect fair and equal treatment.

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    May 6, 2015 @ 8:39 pm Vallejo Voter

    I’m confused over the author’s concern that our city council is not getting involved. When did the city council….or any city’s council, have any authority over a non profit corporation? It does not; that is what a Board of Directors is designed to do…. And the complaint that the city council disbanded the commission on aging? No one showed up for the commission. Get the community involved; it is not the council’s job to fix a non-profit corp’s problems.

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    • May 6, 2015 @ 8:51 pm HereinVallejo

      The Florence Douglas Senior Center: the operating entity is the Vallejo Senior Citizens’ Council, Inc. which is a 501(c)(3) non-profit corporation, run by a Bd of Directors, which hires an executive director. Push for the removal of board members . It’s an internal fight, not the city government’s fight.

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      • May 7, 2015 @ 8:35 am Goat

        The Center gets virtually free rent, a benefit provided by the City of Vallejo. Plus the Center receives City funds. It’s on this basis that citizens asked the City to convene some sort of hearing or study session to help clarify the issues there. Keep in mind, citizens were only asking for a hearing — not any action per se. The Jumpstart-majority on City Council capitulated to old guard Vallejo interests in shutting down the inquiry.

        Rent on the building would have an estimated value of $80,000/year — vs the $1/year that the Center actually pays. So, in essence, it is a quasi-public agency, and should be held accountable to the ENTIRE public, not just a favored few. The Jumpstarter’s vote is a slap to the public, and a slap to taxpayers who deserve that City-supported programs work for ALL Vallejoans.

        BTW, my race “card” is white. You don’t have to be of color to be offended by how the Center & Wilson have acted.

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        • May 8, 2015 @ 2:57 pm One who knows

          The building exists to serve Vallejo Seniors. The City chose to farm out the operation of the Center to a 501(c)3 Non-Profit, rather than hiring City Employees to provide the services. “Free Rent” is meaningless. The value of $80,000 is a number that McConnell pulled from thin air. It has no basis in fact. There aren’t any other non-profits that would take this job on and pay the city for the privilege of doing it.

          If you want to form your own 501(c)3, and receive $12,000 for the meals program, and then raise funds for all other operational costs, be my guest. Otherwise? STFU

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    • May 10, 2015 @ 12:26 pm Chris

      Why would anyone want the City Council to become active in this — even if there was any authority for it to do so (which there is NOT)? You really want a ‘committee’ to try to resolve a problem in another committee’s purview? A fool’s errand to be sure.

      This must be resolved by the senior center’s board and management–and its members. We expect nothing less. There must be something else going on with this–was there a behavioral issue involved with this, like hollering and yelling among the pool players?

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  5. May 7, 2015 @ 1:10 pm Publicus

    I recognize that the following comment is splitting hairs but Sharon’s comment that 74% of Vallejo’s population are “people of color” is just wrong. The US census, for some unknown reason, lumps the growing Hispanic demographic in with the white demographic for gross statistical purposes. Then there is the demographic census block listed as “Asian” which includes the large Filipino community. I doubt that either of those two large groups considers themselves “people of color” aligned philosophically or politically with the AA community. According to the 2010 census, the AA demographic has suffered the same decreases as the “white” demographic. The largest demographic group in Vallejo is now the Hispanic community and Vallejo politics has not yet heard their drumbeats off in the distance. The growing Hispanic community was not even addressed in the City’s new and totally flawed Housing Element while it is blatantly obvious that Napa County is shoving their low paid agricultural and tourism industry workforce out of Napa County to Vallejo. This demographic is ignored because there are no HUD subsidies for the City of Vallejo to suck. So this demographic is often housed in illegal, unsafe and substandard garages or jammed into overcrowded rooms rented in single family homes. The City of Vallejo focus is based on how much money they can get from HUD, not an evaluation of glaring needs.
    As far as this silly Senior Center escapade…. Michael Wilson is an idiot and should be sacked. The pool table was not his to sell so the idea that the citizens of Vallejo should have to pay to rebuy stolen property is silly too. Many Vallejo institutions and non-profits are dying off because their support base is literally dying off too. I fully recognize the rights of all elderly Vallejo citizens to have a nice safe place to get together with others. If some elders felt uneasy entering the building through a group of AA men excitedly enjoying a game of pool, then the easy solution was to find a place for the pool table off the entry sequence so both groups could feel comfortable doing their thing.
    At this point, the horse has left the barn, the damage is done. The best thing for the Vallejo City Council to do is to initiate an independent study of all the “non-profits” that depend on City financial subsidies to evaluate what that money buys in terms of “quality of life” amenities and the overall benefit to the City. Such a study would evaluate the cost/benefits of renting City owned properties for $1/year to drug rehab programs that rake in thousands in MediCal and other dollars for their operators while costing the City for increased emergency services or allow defunct non-profits to continue to occupy City properties and collect the rent monies for personal purposes. I don’t know what the solution is to the Senior Center other than it is not fulfilling its purposes and the whole thing needs to be re-evaluated. Of course, we all knew this would happen when the “Jumpers” took over.

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  6. May 7, 2015 @ 4:43 pm decentamerican

    ………”vote in large numbers, rarely do we ask for anything in return for our vote. We have Gray Power, yet we are not using it to our advantage………”

    SENIORS !
    1) STAND UP AND SPEAK UP…
    2) ask your board members at the center to act
    3) vote out the council members who refuse to support and help……….

    The more neglect and acting like there is no problem, the worse it gets.

    Whoever caused this fiasco by selling the precious table in utter disregard for the members feelings and in total misuse of their authority ….. need to step down, apologize and do the right thing.
    Else it will haunt them for a life time.

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  7. May 7, 2015 @ 5:04 pm ImtalkinHere

    When Sharon made reference to a “browning” senior population, I’m guessing she meant all people of color, not just African Americans and not just politically aligned people. The senior center has used a 1970’s model of Senior services and this is why their membership is dwindling.
    It attracted housewives and a handful of retired men with daytime activities to fill in for empty time. But the senior’s of this era are women and men that are leaving the workforce (many still actively working), and who won’t find cookie cutter activities such as bingo, puzzles and jazzercise as something they will seek out or be interested in. There seems to be no vision within the center to address the needs and interests of the growing senior population and utilize the center in ways that will help it thrive. So the question to the City Council was, is this nonprofit model the best use of the space that is being subsidized by the tax payers? Especially if they are resistant to change? That is a valid discussion for the city. But when you look at those policy makers, many are in the same political bed as Peter’s partner’s employer. So politics trumps sensibilities.
    The decision makers that are currently part of that out dated senior center model are resistance to change and Peter is just happy with that. No performance standards, no goals or expectations with the exception of making enough money to keep the doors open and it gives him a title to boot. Just as he did at the Humane Society, he will be busy finding ways to fund raise and not take the time to ensure that the needs of today’s seniors are being met. As he said when he was demoted from executive director of the Humane Society to fund raiser, he could focus more on fund-raising projects “and not fret about overseeing the direction of Humane services or the volunteer program”. “This is what I was born to do”. Well, he has found another job that allows him to do just that, fund raise and not fret about overseeing the direction of the senior center and senior services.

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    • May 7, 2015 @ 11:08 pm Sharon McGriff Payne

      IMTALINHERE – When I mentioned the “browning” of Vallejo and Solano, I meant all people of color. If you want to see a report on Solano County seniors please read the attached link. Our city and county officials know about this graying and browning trend – although our city officials don’t seem to be addressing this issue at this point. http://www.solanocounty.com/civicax/filebank/blobdload.aspx?blobid=3151

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      • May 9, 2015 @ 11:13 am Publicus

        Sharon… You might want to read any document you post in support of your thesis. This Solano County report, dated 2008, says that 67% of our senior population is Caucasian. But I do appreciate the link because it clarifies the source of VHA’s bogus assertion that 44% of Vallejo’s population is disabled and ties that to the large number of nursing homes for seniors built in the 1980’s. The 2008 report dumps arthritis into the disabled class when just about everybody who lives past the age of 65 is going to start moving a little slower. Being elderly is not a disability and I sure don’t expect the Federal government to send more money to the City of Vallejo so they can pretend to “help” me.

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  8. May 8, 2015 @ 6:42 am Bong Hit

    Most of the posters here are missing Sharron’s point. You don’t seem to catch her drift. Brown people, people of color should not be expected to act in socially acceptable ways. People of color need special consideration since their skin is colored and therefore if they are loud and gather in large groups, block doorways and generally carry on in a manner that is out of place, you must remember that their skin is brown.

    The browning of Solano county should tell you that life here will change and the society will become more contentious with more protests and more social strife. You really can’t change that about people with brown skin, this is Gods plan for her brown people. After all, Brown skin means a person (with the brown skin) will need special care and potentially all institutions will need to rethink their mission statements because of the brown skin people.

    Get it together people. As Sharron has said, this is not about a manager that has zero people skills and made a bad decision, this is not about a pool table graciously donated by a good man that remembers the people he grew up with, this is another opportunity to highlight the inherent difference of people of color (with the brown skin).

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    • May 8, 2015 @ 5:09 pm ImtalkinHere

      Bong, as usual, you’ve missed the point. Must be that bong thing you have going.

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    • May 9, 2015 @ 12:56 pm Pretty Much

      Pretty much what he said. Little, yellow, different. Nuprin.

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  9. May 8, 2015 @ 3:09 pm One who knows

    Sharon

    Many of the issues that you raise in your letter are the result of a failure to participate as a member of FDSC. The reason that the make up of the Board is “too white” is that the 74% “people of color” have not volunteered to join FDSC, nor serve on the Board of Directors. Numerous people spoke at City Council and admitted that they weren’t members and hadn’t even been to the center. Is it any wonder that the make up of the Board is the way it is?

    As far as “cliques” go, all (and I do mean ALL) senior groups have cliques. Go to any senior home, and you’ll find that it’s worse than Jr High was. It’s the nature of that generation.

    As for the City Council’s involvement, they have no business directing a 501(c)3 unless it was formed by the City, or requires a City representative as a voting member of the Board. The City is required to provide Services for Seniors, which is why FDSC was built with City funds, and refurbished with Community Block Grants. Some of those other cities that you referenced are staffed by City employees.

    If you want to see a change in leadership, get involved with the Board. Work within the existing rules until you can convince the members to change the way things are done. It’s really not that difficult.

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    • May 9, 2015 @ 3:53 pm Sharon McGriff Payne

      I might have more respect for your comment had you been brave enough to use your real name rather than “One Who Knows.” Here’s the only thing you need to know: more “people of color” and others who want to see change at the FDSC have joined in recent weeks. Stop hiding behind fake names and help with the inevitable changes at our senior center.

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      • May 11, 2015 @ 1:49 pm One Who Knows

        Sharon

        I’m not sure what difference my name makes here, virtually all who post here use a screen name. It’s nice to see that you use that as a reason to avoid the points made.

        My main point is that you shouldn’t wait for there to be a problem before joining. The issues that you pointed out will not be fixed because “people of color” have failed to be involved to provide input or participate in the Board.

        The bullying that you are promoting is the same type of bullying exhibited by the pool players towards others at the center. It may give you the immediate change you seek, but it will ultimate cause the center to fail.

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  10. May 10, 2015 @ 6:22 am ImtalkinHere

    Well ‘one who knows’ if things are so wonderful at the center, why has this crisis gone on so long? If you have kept up with this fiasco OWK, then you would know that this group has said all along that they have tried working with the board and they have been ignored. They have tried to communicate to the Board and have not received any response and board meetings are held behind closed doors so that any and all decisions are made in total secrecy. So tell me ‘One Who Knows’, how does anyone “work with” a board like that? That’s what people have even complaining about. The senior center only allows their membership to have two meetings a year. So how does that allow the members to interact with a board? So that clique like atmosphere may very well be the reason no one has been interested in volunteering there. Who wants to work with a dictatorship that doesn’t care to hear from or work with its membership? It certainly sounds as if the people who are speaking in support of the management share that same attitude and don’t think there is anything wrong with a dictatorship type of operation and may be part of the problem.
    And I watched the Council meeting and the majority of people that spoke said that they were members.

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    • May 10, 2015 @ 7:20 am Bong Hit

      This sounds like a management problem. Why is it necessary for disgruntled members to manufacture a “race” problem out of this? The entire country has Negro fatigue right now so you’re beating a dead horse on the brown skin thingy.

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    • May 11, 2015 @ 1:55 pm One Who Knows

      There was no “working” with the Board. It was a demand, and a refusal. And then stomping of feet and an impasse.

      Working with the Board means participating along the way. When the two Board Members were appointed, where were the volunteers? No one offered to step into the positions. It’s a typical problem with all non-profits. People are perfectly fine with someone else doing all of the work until it affects them. Then people demand change and fume when a decision doesn’t go their way.

      If people care about any organization, be it non-profit or public, they must get involved. We all need to stop being users, and become participants. Otherwise, let those in the job do their job. Step up, or step aside.

      As for being a member? That majority of speakers were not members prior to November. I don’t know that any of the pool players were ever members.

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      • May 11, 2015 @ 4:24 pm LFM

        OWK, As one who truly knows, let me inform you that I agreed with the motivational speaker for a meeting to have the pool table issue resolved by possible mediation in January. I never heard back from the Board or the speaker. I sent an email dated Feb. 12, 2015 for a group of members asking for a meeting to discuss several issues of concern. A letter from P. Wilson dated 02/25/15 stated “There is no policy or by-law provision of the Vallejo Senior Citizens Council, Inc. for anyone to call a special meeting of the Council.” While this may be true about the bylaws and policy of the FDSC, Mr. Wilson should have known after several years of dealing with nonprofits, that the California Corporations Code does allow for exactly the type of meeting we were requesting. On March 13, 2015, we again requested a meeting to sit down and discuss the issues of concern and since we had not heard back on the request, we filed a formal request for a special meeting on May 5, 2015. So you see, we have requested to meet with the Board and the membership since January of this year, repeatedly, without any foot stomping or demanding and have been ignored by the Board even though requesting a special meeting is within our rights as members.
        The issues/concerns were just recently brought to light, but there had been complaints over the years. The sum of all of the problems that surfaced is what has caused the community to take action. The Executive Director has been contacted by at least three Council members and the Mayor, as well as two attorneys, and countless community members, asking for a resolution to the issues. Asking that the issues be discussed with the membership to work through resolutions. All have been ignored by the Director and Board. So please don’t continue stating things that aren’t factual or true as obviously you don’t know as much as you’d wish us to believe.
        There is one thing you said that I agree with, we do care about the organization and we have stepped up to become involved and active participants. Whether we have been members for a few months or a few years is immaterial. The problems that exist have cultivated over the years and apparently no one including long time members chose to do anything about them. Dismissing people and their concerns because you think we haven’t been involved long enough is merely another excuse used by some people at the center as a reason why our voices shouldn’t be heard or that our concerns are somehow less valid. What is important is that there are problems with the senior center that needs to be addressed and WE are here now, we are stepping up to help and we are participating.
        There is a reason why “no one offered to step into positions” and attitudes like yours may be a part of it.

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  11. May 10, 2015 @ 8:11 am ImtalkinHere

    Negro Fatigue? Really? Why then does it appears that every protest, every march, is filled with people of all races (including whites)supporting racial bias and discrimination? Not only in the US but all over the world are people standing in solidarity with the issues of racial discrimination. Just because you don’t care for the conversation doesn’t give you the right to say it shouldn’t be discussed. Deal with it Bong and take a seat and learn something.

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    • May 10, 2015 @ 8:13 am ImtalkinHere

      Sorry, meant to say “supporting the fight against racial bias and discrimination”.

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  12. May 10, 2015 @ 10:43 am Bong Hit

    Why are people protesting you ask? Perhaps it’s because we have a race hustler in the White House who surrounds himself with people like Al Sharpton.

    “There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs-partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.”

    Booker T. Washington

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  13. May 10, 2015 @ 10:43 am multiple problems

    management problems and racist problems are not mutually exclusive. the removal of the pool table is a management problem rooted in racist stereotypes.
    “negro fatigue”? LOL. sounds like a symptom of the dreaded racist virus.

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  14. May 10, 2015 @ 9:44 pm LFM

    Nego fatigue and Al Sharpton are all red herrings for people who feel that racism and racial bias don’t exist. Are there times that race has entered a discussion when it shouldn’t have? Of course. Just as the equation of Obama and Sharpton being lumped together on race relations. But to plant one’s head into the sand everytime someone brings the word of racism, is simply convenient denial. When you consider the age of the people involved, it’s a reasonable assumption that racial bias was involved. Older White women were told over and over again to fear Black men. That hasn’t changed much over the years.
    Anyone can find a quote that fits their position bongo. That doesn’t make you right. It just means you can find convenient sound bites to make you feel better about your issues on racial bias in America.

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  15. May 11, 2015 @ 10:57 am FDSC

    The reason the city council should be called in to “study” the issue is because our Mayor is the one who donated the $1700 to move and refurbish the pool table as a favor to Peter Wilson on behalf of his husband Michael. The money reportedly was taken from his golf tournament fund which he uses like a slush fund to dole out favor$. This was confirmed by Erin Hannigan in one of her moments of holding court at the FDSC. More of the same in Vallejo.

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    • May 12, 2015 @ 9:05 am benjamin

      Council said no already. They will not change their minds. Now you either take over the center or convince the AG to do something.

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  16. May 12, 2015 @ 12:16 pm GW

    Leave the council out of it. The decision for the formation of a 501(c)3 Non-Profit in place of city employees running the place tells me that the city did not wish to be involved with day to day operation of the center. …and a wise decision THAT was, lol!
    I would be very concerned if this issue would be before the council again and again while the really serious matters of city business take a back seat.
    The actual reasons for creating a Non-Profit instead can only be clarified by those that were directly involved in the decision making process at that time.

    As a senior myself, I do not understand why “cliques” are a bone of contention. What are they doing that is upsetting to others not belonging to them? Are they not found everywhere, i.e. like minded, political active people form them and call them a political party instead of a clique, they may appear intolerant of other people’s opinions, foreign language speakers love to palaver in the presence of non-foreign language speakers and that could be construed as cliquish by those that are left out, people surround themselves with people they are comfortable with …. and as in this instance people who enjoy certain activities considered a sport, etc., but that is not a clique but a group of quasi seniors who demand to be allowed to play with a stick and ball on a table. You are a clique!

    Older white women are “fearful” by the presence and commotion created by “black males” who holler and may get carried away by the activity they enjoy, so it was said. What a bunch of Bull!

    That in itself must be the most disrespectful and self serving racist comment if there ever was one in this juvenile, foot stomping school yard scramble. I would not be fearful at all, but would have a one on one with some of the gentlemen who are making the joyful noise…… as I would enjoy some meditation classes I may have paid for.

    Having no respect for someone else’s opinion will not address nor contribute to resolution. Talking and hearing about what really is at the heart of the issue will. Somebody is not getting their way, has a different opinion, but wishes to continue the situation until somebody will eventually give in. Then it is called taking the High Road!

    Times have not changed from when we were kids, pestering mom until we wore her sufficiently down and we got our way ….. sometimes it worked …but mostly not!

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  17. May 13, 2015 @ 8:03 am Sharon McGruff Payne

    GW, Bong Hit, and the other cowards on this thread making comments. Why not use your real names to make your comments? Have some integrity and stand behind your beliefs, otherwise your comments are not worthy of being taken seriously.

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    • May 14, 2015 @ 4:31 am Bong Hit

      I would advise against it Sharon. An Internet website like this is best suited to sharing opinions, documents and information. If someone posts an opinion under the name John Doe, how does Marc or any of us know if the post actually came from John Doe? What is to prevent a random visitor to this website taking your name and applying it to a post of their own? The answer is nothing prevents others from using your name and making posts of their own.

      Please Sharon, pick a posting name other than your real name for posting on websites like these. It may save you some grief in the future. Reserve your real name for your printed publications and books.

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  18. May 15, 2015 @ 11:36 pm Sharon McGriff Payne

    Bong Hit – or should I say Jim Davis? Your use of the term Negro on both this site and the All Seniors Matter Faceook Page – not to mention your writing style gave you away. You’re a coward, so any excuse you come up with for not using your real name is just that, an excuse.

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  19. May 16, 2015 @ 9:04 am Bong Hit

    I’m left pretty much speechless by your foolishness Shaaron. I think there’s an old Chinese proverb that is relevant here but I can’t quite recall the exact wording. Perhaps you dream of a day when progressive communists in this country have developed a list of words you can and cannot say in public or perhaps you dream of a day when progressive operatives are placed in “news” rooms around the country and pretend to be journalists but in reality are protecting favored politicians. That may be your dream, to live as a slave to hypocritical overlords but it’s not for me and my loved ones and friends. We are free people and will remain so.

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  20. May 31, 2015 @ 1:48 pm craig

    Important meeting for seniors tomorrow, Monday, June 1, :30.

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