FOOL ME ONCE, SHAME ON YOU! FOOL ME TWICE, SHAME ON ME!


By Joanne Schivley, past Vallejo City Councilmember

 

The following text for Measure A is from the 1997 ballot per the Secretary of State’s website:

TABLE 1.2 TEXT FOR SCHOOL DISTRICT BALLOT MEASURES BY COUNTY, 1997
SOLANO 3/4/97 Vallejo City Unified Measure A Pass (2/3 required)

To provide funds to upgrade classrooms for modern technology; provide health and safety improvements in classrooms throughout the district; repair and replace inadequate classroom roofs, plumbing, heating and ventilation systems; and renovate, acquire, and construct schools and school sites, shall the Vallejo City Unified School district issue and sell bonds in an amount not to exceed $133 million at an interest rate within the legal limit

Note there is no playground equipment listed as a use of the funds. Go to the VCUSD Website, Home Page, enter Measure A Construction Contract Project Report in the Search Box, and scroll down to 8.3.1 Measure A Report. This report shows Playground Equipment as Completed Projects at all 17 elementary schools, indicating Measure A Bond Money was used for this equipment – not grant money, not other state funds.

Those of us who worked on Measure A were promised the funds would only be used as stated on the ballot. That promise was made by people who now support this year’s Measure E, and have endorsed the incumbent school board candidates. Both Hazel Wilson and Tony Ubalde were on the Measure A Oversight Committee from its creation until they were elected to the School Board. Using Measure A funds as stated on the ballot, and as promised to the public, was the responsibility of these individuals while they were on the Committee and/or the School Board. Now, they are supporting Measure E and asking to be re-elected to have a say on how $239,000,000 will be spent. Want to place any new money under the control of individuals who have not kept promises made to the public? I don’t.

If money were all that is needed to fix Vallejo’s schools, it would be great, but throwing $239,000,000 in the form of Measure E at the physical problems in our schools is not going to solve the deeper problems. Take a look at your property tax bill. 46% of the first line “1 Pct Tax Limitation” goes to schools. Everything labeled Vallejo USD and SCC goes to schools – a total of 52% of your property taxes, not including Mello-Roos assessments. To fix Vallejo’s schools, change and new leadership are essential.

Vote NO on Measure E. Vote for Cayangyang, Pucan and Worel for School Board.

 

Note: All opinions expressed in the “Primal Scream” column are those of the writer and not necessarily those of the Vallejo Independent Bulletin.

 

 


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  1. October 30, 2014 @ 9:14 am Sage

    Bravo…..you are SOOOO right.

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  2. October 30, 2014 @ 11:29 am Publicus

    I guess it is no surprise that Jon Riley the Executive Director Napa-Solano Labor Coalition which ran the Jumpstart campaign, is promoting the School Bond measure and raising campaign money from all the labor unions. Payback time. The trades unions want the fat school district jobs. No one watches so change orders, overruns and other additions are a given. We taxpayers will get the same results we got last time we bought the propaganda….nothing for our money.

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    • October 31, 2014 @ 6:04 am Mousy

      What fat Union jobs? Have you been paying attention? Teachers in Vallejo are underpayed while we pay more in non-union admin costs. And it is very hard to spend bond money on salaries. It can be misspent, but on capital projects.

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      • October 31, 2014 @ 7:56 am Bong Hit

        It’s funneled to capital labor costs aka union payroll and dues to the democrat party.

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        • Vallejo Voter

          October 31, 2014 @ 8:39 pm Vallejo Voter

          Who do you think will be hired for those school capital improvement and construction jobs? That’s wht Riley wants the money. Union jobs

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  3. October 30, 2014 @ 1:04 pm wharf rat

    wont drink the fiscal koolaid this time , no waaaay

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  4. October 30, 2014 @ 1:30 pm tramky

    I will NOT vote for this enormous bond measure without knowing that the VCUSD Board has been transformed completely. Having this on the same ballot as VCUSD Board votes is a very bad thing–the status quo on the Board could be the result of this election, and giving this Board control of a quarter-BILLION dollars of taxpayer money is a VERY bad idea.

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  5. October 30, 2014 @ 2:40 pm Don't believe you

    Well well Schively just endorsed Pucan! hmm that sniffs out nasty rumors about Pucan once and for all. Thank you Joanne I trust your judgement.

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    • October 31, 2014 @ 2:35 pm Susan Anthony

      DON’T BELIEVE YOU – Pucan, you are slamming Pucan on a “sniff.” It’s people like you, that coin the phrase: “Politics is not for the faint hearted.’ Pucan is honest, hard working, respectful of others and of others opinions, conducts herself in a professional manner, has had children graduate from the district. I have the pleasure to publicly announce that I am backing Pucan 100%. Regards, Susan B. Anthony

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      • November 1, 2014 @ 7:50 am Don't Believe You

        Susan Anthony—Actually, I am supporting Pucan. And I appreciate Schively’s endorsement. Read my post again. I am defending Pucan against previous posted accusations about her, which I care not to mention. Someone posted that Schively didn’t favor her, well, it looks like she does afterall.

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        • November 3, 2014 @ 9:10 am Mensch

          Susan Anthony, the “Unbeliever” is unable to distinguish from her reading of posts that Shiveley’s camp is supporting a candidate (Pucan) that PERSONALLY STATED she has no intention of accepting the seat should she garner enough votes. After approaching anyone that can breath, the FixVallejo group landed on the angry Pucan. However, the openly stated intent of the McConnell/Shiveley FixVallejo slate is to split the Filipino vote away from Ubalde by running Pucan and Cayangyang in an effort to ShakeThingsUp. Interesting and very telling, Pucan’s ability to raise money must be very enticing to the McConnell camp since the stage is being set for 2016. Fortunately, more than a few people FixVallejo approached to run on their slate recognized the undertones of bigotry, overt fear mongering and despicable divisiveness that continues to erode the substantial progress we need in this community. It’s past time to embrace the strength in our diversity rather than what these particular “Progressives” are spouting. It’s reminiscent of the very same message of hate heard from the Far Right IMHO.

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          • Firebug

            November 3, 2014 @ 9:25 am Firebug

            LOL! I only know of one person crazy enough to dream up such a conspiracy theory. Most of us know that Ubalde is running on his own accomplishments in the School district and the terrible state of Vallejo schools is indicative of his poor record as a board trustee. No need to have delusions about dividing voters, Ubalde’s stench is here for all to smell.

          • November 3, 2014 @ 12:55 pm Anon

            See how low you are Mensch. You are so low you are attacking Pucan’s character. Who do YOU work for? Faux news, no doubt. How dare you label and slander Pucan as “angry”? Oh maybe, you are fine with the status quo that parents and teacher should shut up and allow the bullies of the district to fester their toxicity? Yes , I think you do.

  6. October 30, 2014 @ 2:47 pm Salty Dog

    “Elect me once, shame on you. Elect me twice … shame on you.”

    The Grande Dame of local Vallejo politics has spoken and she is spot on. Electing those clowns again to oversee a quarter billion in new taxes is shameful and madness.

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    • October 30, 2014 @ 5:47 pm Ben

      So you don’t like Pucan, Worel, or Ruscal. But you do want change. Want a dilemma you are in. Loughmiller endorses Dr. Bishop. We can only hope she will have the grit to actually stand up to Dr. Bishop when and as needed. That leaves you on your choices with Wilson and Ubalde. I guess you better bullet vote for Loughmiller and pray the rest of the voters can figure it out for you.
      On a side note, I don’t really care whether someone has not been in one part of town or the other. You could say the same about Wilson who lives in the Vista but can’t think outside of the Crest. Pucan wants change and has the guts to push for it. She is the only one who clearly said what she wants, what she will do, and how she feels about the bond. She comes with a background of having been a teacher at the professional level. She know how to run a business and meet payroll. She believes in work and individual responsibility. I do intend to vote for three people. At least four of the candidates understand that the rankings of VUSD are just about at the very bottom of the barrel. Too bad we don’t have the opportunity to replace four of the five trustees. All four candidates will hopefully push for the many changes that are needed throughout the system. One real estate broker has publicly stated that with a new school board and raising public school values our property values will increase by 1/3d. Whether someone lives in Glenn Cove or in Vallejo Heights, all of our property values need to rise. The school board to be installed in January, 2015 will have a large impact on making that happen.

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  7. October 30, 2014 @ 3:29 pm Aghast

    While Joanne’s assessment is on the nose, Shelee Loughmiller should be the first vote for school board. I just can’t vote for Ruscal and Burky, well I will hold my nose. Pulcan? Are you kidding me? Where has she been all these years? Hiding in Glen Cove. I met her at an event on the west side of town and she seemed shocked that the venue and people were nice, admitting she had never been to “this part” of Vallejo. Did she make any of the forums?

    No, more money for our schools until there is a change in leadership. Sorry kids but I don’t trust that lot not to piss away my money.

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    • October 30, 2014 @ 6:28 pm Anon

      Don’t be fooled by Loughmiller, she is like an obedient dog with Bishop and has already rolled over to get little pats from her master. Talk to some of those who have worked with Shelee the spineless. She is just like Waterman, all talk about community, but will go along just to be liked. As a parent who supported Waterman, I will jot be fooled by someone who is popular and all talk. No way! My vote is on Pucan, Worel. and Cayangyang. I met Pucan and she has been around Vallejo, she has been involved parent, both her kids are in the UC system including Davis, her offices have been on Springs Road for the past 20 years. My friend is a patient of hers, and she raves about her. Vote for Pucan if you want change. Schively has it right this time.

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      • November 2, 2014 @ 7:52 pm Mensch

        Wow Anon, having the courage to post this kind of name calling is really impressive. Especially under the cover of “anonymous” title. Especially when throwing labels of ‘spineless’out into VIB land, almost thought I was on the FOX newsfeed. Brilliant strategy!!

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        • November 3, 2014 @ 12:50 pm Anon

          Wow !mensch! How hypocritical when I have read your little belttilement of other candidates. How Faux News of you!

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  8. October 30, 2014 @ 4:46 pm Bong Hit

    http://www.brisbainpucanforschoolboard.org/platform/

    Platform: 4-Star Plan

    1.) School Safety: The welfare and safety of our children, teachers, and school staff comes first and is paramount for a healthy educational environment. I will initiate school safety programs that will ensure the safety of every student, teacher and staff. I will collaborate with the City of Vallejo in order to restore police presence in school campuses. I will fight for our share of funding and resources for safer schools.

    2.) Quality Education: Our children deserve quality education, and the Board should create an environment that creates attainable pathways to higher education. I will ensure that every student has access to quality education that will make him or her college-ready and career-driven. I will work with teachers, administrators, parents and students to address our school dropout and truancy rates.

    3.) Accountability: It is important to have transparency in every Board action. I will support open communication among students, school staff, parents and the entire community. I will enforce compliance with the local control and accountability plan.

    4.) Financial Stability: It is imperative that the financial health of our school is maintained and safely guarded. I will make sure our school district maintains full authority over fiscal management.

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    • October 30, 2014 @ 6:02 pm Salty Dog

      Who would disagree with these four goals- they are educational ends goals basic to public education.

      All the candidates freely and rightly espouse these ends- ends that are nothing more than election bromides to feed low information voters. A 4 star plan that is devoid of a “means” is empty rhetoric. Where IS the plan? How is the plan operationalized to achieve the “ends”?

      As usual, all the candidates wax eloquently with bromides. WHERE IS THE SPECIFIC PLAN OF ACTION?

      As usual, chirp…………..chirp

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  9. October 30, 2014 @ 5:04 pm All About Education.

    The only people running for school board for the right reasons are Worel and Loughmiller. Ubalde and Wilson need to go for obvious reasons. Pucan is willing to bow down to the wishes of Schively and McConnell. Cayangyang is a terrible choice. He only wants a title and whatever money/benefits that go with it. He’s inexperienced and he’s not honest. Whatever shortcomings Worel or Loughmiller may have, they pale in comparison to the others.

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    • October 30, 2014 @ 6:40 pm Anon

      Cayangyang is not retired, but Shelee is and tada, Shelee needs medical benefits far more desperately than a young healthy fit man in his early 20s. Cayangyang has the guts to say no to E. Shelee has been obedient to the whims of Bishop. Ask those who have worked with her at Loma Vista. The new principal at Loma Vista who was favored by Shelee, is ruining the farm. I hate taking my kids there now, because of this loud pushy principal who Shelee backed despite various complaints from staff and the community. Shelee agreed to back this principal because of her love of Bishop. Loughmiller is wrong for the board. Pucan is a successful parent, both kids in the UC system. She knows what parents like me want, better schools.

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      • October 31, 2014 @ 8:19 am Really?

        Shelee is a veteran with health benefits and years of professional experience building effective teams. Backing the principal in charge of the new direction for the farm is called ” working together” to deal with the festering personnel and operational issues that are still holding the program back from becoming the best in the region. But then, you probably have no idea how sick animals were being ignored by the group responsible for them until Shelee brought in professionals to evaluate and deal with the situation. She took action to improve broken systems and recognized the responsibility the district has to do the same with THEIR personnel. Due to her negotiation skills and community connections the farm’s financial is the healthiest its ever been, new board members with specific professional skills were recruited, there’s plenty of money to actually upgrade the animal & facility, new volunteers working that she recruited and hosts quite frequently for workdays, and the after school programs are now actually able to be on the farm for the first time in years. The individual that can work in a dysfunctional environment and manage to create a windfall of resources to help improve the situation has my support. That’s Shelee’s “Get ‘Er Done” Leadership style and why she has my vote.

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        • firebug

          October 31, 2014 @ 10:07 am firebug

          The qualifications you listed are more in line with a Superintendent than a Board member. Those qualifications are the antithesis of the accomplishments of Bishop (or lack of). If Loughmiller has an ounce of foresight and fortitude she will acknowledge the striking deficiencies of Bishop.

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          • October 31, 2014 @ 10:26 am Anon

            Firebug, thank you, Loughmiller lacks the fortitude to stand up to Bishop. It has been proven already.

        • October 31, 2014 @ 10:34 am Anon

          BS. I have been to that farm and volunteered there, it is not managed very well now because of the new dictatorship. I can’t even go there now without feeling depressed about the changes. “Working together” is NOT bulldozing over people’s concern including those of parents and staff. It is exact shame of the current board. This holier than thou attitude is the same bs touted by Wilson and Ublade. Wow, this manipulative double-meaning big brother language is furthering my distrust of Lougmiller.

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  10. October 30, 2014 @ 6:05 pm Aghast

    Re: Pulcan, she’s a dentist not a medical doctor or scientist (if you had spoken with her you would know this). ANYONE can pay to have a website and some very generic blurbage written which is all her site is. She did not write this. But more importantly, where has she been/what has she done up to now? Looks like ZERO. Hmm, PTA member for how many years? Volunteered in the classroom how many hours? It’s not enough to have had kids you know. Let’s not put plastic people without experience or proven ability to lead or knowledge of our broader community into positions of authority (Hello Hermie!). Been there, done that and got burned.

    Loughmiller has worked in the schools, worked with Loma Vista Farm for years and, tadaa, has a business management background!

    Joanne’s judgement on candidates should be questioned. She has been wrong on many things (that’s why she was not Mayor or re-elected to council) and her recommendations on VCUSD candidates I believe are wrong.

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    • October 30, 2014 @ 6:45 pm Anon

      Don’t pee your pants because Shivley didn’t endorse your friend Shelee. Shelee is wrong for the board. She is so loyal to Bishop that she ignored complaints about the new principal at Loma vista. Shelee will ignore complaints and will go along with Bishop. We don’t need that on the board.

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      • November 3, 2014 @ 10:57 am Mensch

        Employees of the district are their responsibility to deal with and the professional that Loughmiller is understands that. The nonprofit that’s contractually responsible for the health and welfare of the animals on the farm are failing to address serious issues due in part to longstanding infighting, bickering caretakers and a list of other deficiencies that would make your skin crawl. Those willing and able to take steps to correct the situation are wrong? I think not and the truth will surface soon enough. What we need on both boards are individuals with strength of character, discernment, and courage to confront the inconvenient truths. Assuming you have direct contact with anyone on the farm board, ask them about the 2013 Animal Assessment report and see what kind of response you get. Don’t be surprised if you hear nothing but crickets

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    • October 30, 2014 @ 6:50 pm Salty Dog

      I could care less why candidates run for office- be it pure altruism, personal career advancement or a desire to be in position to make a difference (whatever the hell that means). I care marginally less what credentials/experience they bring to the Board.

      What is important to me is a candidate that has some concrete ideas to float at the Board table for consideration in collaboration with other trustees that represent the community, its values and needs. I want trustees who can seriously infect the formal organization with the same deadly virile impact of ebola. But the infection will be controlled by the paternalistic “quarantining” of new trustees by the status quo, which begins immediately upon being sworn in to office.

      That is why a strong candidate with specific strategies is crucial. Where are the strategies?

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      • October 31, 2014 @ 1:32 am wharf rat

        Salt not a very good comparison Ebola is a flesh eating bacteria , I have witnessed the outcome , from a moon suit in A isolation unit and it is not pretty .. On the other hand the direction our district is going is to attempt to infect our community with a CASH eating bacteria aka measure E which will further the demise of our local economy by removing millions of dollars from our circular economy , and therefore further condemning our small business community … Our tax dollars will fund out of town interests to further milk the shit out of our Children , all while setting them up for the next big squeeze …

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      • October 31, 2014 @ 8:45 am GW

        Exactly correct SD!
        I may or may not “LIKE” a candidate for many reasons, but if they would have an actual doable plan that resonates with me and does support my personal understanding of how important laying the correct educational groundwork for a successful independent life really is …..and not enabling and coddling whole generations because it is politically correct to do so, this person will receive my vote!
        Yes, if that candidate has my values I will support them in their efforts to bring about what has been lacking for many years here in Vallejo, children receiving an education unhindered by political views and trends …as well as personal views of the educator.
        I could immediately disqualify the whole bunch if I were to vote on “liking” someone or not, because neither has offered solutions or a plan that would bring about a clear turn around. All I hear are the usual generic talking points and nothing indicating that any of them will indeed apply themselves so our CHILDREN receive the benefit WE received due to the generosity of the taxpayer who do make receiving an education possible!

        I have voted for Ms. Schiveley in the past, not because I liked her, but because she applied herself and worked for me and the city I live in. However it will not matter who she believes is good or bad in this race. I will and have made up my mind and have voted for two people who I feel will apply themselves and bring about the changes we need.
        ….should I put my hopes into the wrong people (I have a few times in the past!) there is always a next time around and I will be wiser than I am today.

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        • October 31, 2014 @ 9:45 am Mensch

          Check the specific Vision & Goals plan that Ms. Loughmiller has on her website, developed early on in this campaign cycle and addressed directly in all the forums she took the time to attend.
          http://WWW.SHELEELOUGHMILLER

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          • October 31, 2014 @ 10:28 am Anon

            Loughmiller is too aligned with Bishop. Don’t trust her political ambition. We can’t afford another “do as I say”. No way I am voting for her.

          • October 31, 2014 @ 11:20 am Mensch

            Just called Loughmiller to query her about her “political ambition”. Here’s her direct response, “I don’t have any political ambitions, I simply want Vallejo and the District to evolve into a community that has great schools once again. While I support the district improvement initiatives there has clearly not been enough time to fully realize the impact. I’ve always been a behind the scenes influencer, not a person who seeks the limelight. Running for the school board is interesting because the fractures in our community are very apparent. My grandfather taught me well, put your heart into your work, treat others with respect no matter what barbs are hurled at you, and above all else, do what you feel is right.”

  11. October 31, 2014 @ 1:17 pm Reality

    Loughmiller’s statement to Mensch reflects my observations of her, and shows a leader with a grasp of reality. I’m voting for Loughmiller, Worel & Cayangyang. Pucan is not getting my vote. I just can’t get past Sunga’s endorsement.

    11:20 AM NENSCH

    Just called Loughmiller to query her about her “political ambition”. Here’s her direct response, “I don’t have any political ambitions, I simply want Vallejo and the District to evolve into a community that has great schools once again. While I support the district improvement initiatives there has clearly not been enough time to fully realize the impact. I’ve always been a behind the scenes influencer, not a person who seeks the limelight. Running for the school board is interesting because the fractures in our community are very apparent. My grandfather taught me well, put your heart into your work, treat others with respect no matter what barbs are hurled at you, and above all else, do what you feel is right.”

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  12. silasbarnabe

    October 31, 2014 @ 6:53 pm silasbarnabe

    Any candidate that thinks Bishop is doing a good job like Loughmiller is just another status quo that thinks things are great the way they are.

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    • November 1, 2014 @ 11:18 am Mensch

      Actually, Loughmiller doesn’t think things “are great just the way they are”, that’s one of the reasons she’s running. Anyone willing to step up to challenge deeply entrenched incumbents is proof enough for me. It’s obvious that the changes needed are far more complex than any single commentator here or candidates that actually attended the public forums have identified. Check out Burky Worel’s comment during the MIRA forum that he doesn’t think Ramona is doing that bad of a job. Not exactly a ringing endorsement but he does acknowledge how continued turnover at the Superintendent level is not the solution, electing new board members is.

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      • SIlasBarnabe

        November 1, 2014 @ 1:53 pm SIlasBarnabe

        @Mensch,
        I have yet to hear Loughmillers plan to address the grand jury report or the WASC report, and as for Worel most folks around here know what I think of him….. supporting any candidate willing to step up is a laughable practice.

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  13. November 1, 2014 @ 8:38 am Bong Hit

    The revelation that Mr. Ublade was a supporter of Jim Jones answered a lot of questions for me. I’ve heard from many people that Mr. Ublade is a good and caring man but at the same time people seem to have no confidence in him professionally. I’m convinced that Mr. Ublade is a complete follower and devoid of independent thought or willingness to rock the boat when necessary. Here is a picture of the mass murderer Jim Jones standing with a man that some allege is Mr. Ublade.

    http://murderpedia.org/male.J/images/jones_jim/jim_jones_007a.JPG

    The school board, superintendent and administration we currently have are stuck in a failed ideology, thinking that coddling dysfunctional and criminal behavior will somehow “save” the babies. This thinking has created a school environment where bad behavior is basically excused and chaos has become the norm inside the classroom, on the school grounds and extends out into the community. Our local black racists think that in order for the “babies” to thrive in this modern world, they need to be compensated for the wrongs of the past. Nothing could be further from the truth and reality of this modern world.

    The black communities all around this country are being herded back into slavery under the heavy hand of black racists from their own ranks. Modern corporations are truly global now and have the ability to choose employees from all around the world. The Asian and Indian young people are extremely well educated, don’t throw chairs in meetings and are being hired in increasing numbers.

    Finally, miraculously, there is a glimmer of hope. Some good, strong men from inside the belly of the democrat slave masters beast in Chicago have had an epiphany. If you haven’t seen this video out of Chicago it’s worth your time to watch. It is short and to the point:

    http://rebelpundit.com/chicago-activists-unchained-destroy-black-liberal-leadership/

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    • November 2, 2014 @ 12:25 am Publicus

      That is one profound video!!!!! Look at the leadership of the VUSD, staff in City Hall and all the black fundamentalist churches backing people who are selling their own people out. No wonder people don’t vote. We only have a choice about which boot is standing on our neck.

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  14. November 1, 2014 @ 11:26 am Publicus

    Allowing the intrusion of fundamentalist religion into our schools is not only unconstitutional, it borders on child abuse and needs to end. Religiosity is statistically correlated with lower intelligence levels so if we want Vallejo kids to get ahead in this world, religion needs to be excised from every level of VUSD.

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    • November 1, 2014 @ 11:59 am Anonymous

      So Publicus, explain then the view here from Thomas Jefferson on religion in schools …

      “After stating the constitutional reasons against a public establishment of any religious instruction, we suggest the expediency of encouraging the different religious sects to establish, each for itself, a professorship of their own tenets on the confines of the university, so near as that their students may attend the lectures there and have the free use of our library and every other accommodation we can give them; preserving, however, their independence of us and of each other. This fills the chasm objected to ours, as a defect in an institution professing to give instruction in all useful sciences… And by bringing the sects together, and mixing them with the mass of other students, we shall soften their asperities, liberalize and neutralize their prejudices, and make the general religion a religion of peace, reason, and morality.”
      —Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Cooper, 1822. ME 15:405

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      • SilasBarnabe

        November 1, 2014 @ 2:00 pm SilasBarnabe

        @anonymouse,
        You mean the Thomas Jefferson that had illegitimate children, and was an adulterer then abandoned his wife and child? I wonder what type of Religion he wanted for the public?

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      • November 2, 2014 @ 12:37 am Publicus

        Read that quote again. Jefferson is providing a sop to those that opposed the Constitutional separation of church and state by suggesting that any church could set up shop near centers of higher learning so that anyone who might want to partake of their brand of tribalism could do so. He is alluding to a “general religion” not to Christianity. Jefferson is considered a Deist but he went to church (Anglican) as an example to others of how to live a civilized life. Ever hear of the Jefferson Bible? Google it. FYI. Jefferson’s wife died and he could not marry her half sister Sally Hemmings because she was 1/4 black. Jefferson made sure their kids were freed from slavery.

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        • November 2, 2014 @ 12:43 am Publicus

          Pretty obvious as to how well our public schools are doing based on the complete lack of understanding of American history posted here. You’d think we lived in Texas where they make up their own textbooks to promote their own brand of facts.

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        • November 2, 2014 @ 7:02 am Bong Hit

          Yes, so true. People confuse causation and correlation all the time. Correlation does not imply causation:

          I like chocolate doughnuts. Chocolate doughnuts cause heart attacks. Does it therefore follow that I like heart attacks?

          It’s a real shame that the LGBT community fears religion so much. On the one hand Vallejo needs the LGBT community to infuse new life into the community. Their activism is greatly needed and appreciated by those of us that recognize the horrible shape our schools are in. On the other hand, the black community needs religion for guidance and faith to endure and hopefully pull themselves up from the dismal state they find themselves in. This is a very damaging impasse, I wish people were better educated in the true meaning of Christianity.

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          • November 3, 2014 @ 8:33 am Hysterical

            Why do you think the LGBT Community “fears religion so much’? Many LGBT persons go to church and worship a religion of their choice. There is a difference between religion and religious fundamentalism that is part of bigotry and I would think that the LGBT community warns against a religious dogma which says that one segment of society is to be shunned, reviled, or otherwise segregated. That’s all.

    • November 1, 2014 @ 12:38 pm Alumni

      >> Religiosity is statistically correlated with lower intelligence levels

      This statement is correlated with anti-religious bigotry.

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  15. November 2, 2014 @ 10:39 pm Hippie

    Whoooooaaaa majorr buzzz killlll , dudes this whole thread is like so Darwinian ….. Why drag religion into the mix , it only starts war’s …. Consider the teachings of the daily , lamba …… learn …. love …. Levitate ………

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  16. November 3, 2014 @ 11:48 am Bong Hit

    So when I followed your suggestion Mench and went to the Loma Vista school report here

    http://vallejocity.schoolwisepress.com/reports/2013/pdf/vallejocity/sarci_en_48-70581-6051502e.pdf

    It shows that student performance is below the minimum standards. The question in my mind is this farm something that adults keep going because it makes them feel good or is the farm intended to make student achievement outcomes better? It may tun out that while the kids may enjoy playing at the farm, it is not generating tangible benefits for the students. I say the entire school system must be reexamined and redesigned if necessary. Ms. Loughmiller may be an entrenched interest that will protect pet projects and not be able to make hard choices when necessary.

    Isn’t working as an independent contractor for the administration a significant conflict of interest for Loughmiller?

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    • November 3, 2014 @ 2:53 pm Mensch

      Garden Based Learning http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden-based_learning
      Experiential learning is all about engaging students and this outdoor living lab “classroom” is a living breathing example of STEAM in action. The teachers at LVESA have begun utilizing the outdoor classroom as part of the curriculum for their students on a weekly basis just since last school year. MITA students use the farm for their science classes as well. Before then it was up to the individual teacher to wrap the farm into lessons. Personally, I think that it’s a great resource for the district to build off of and the kids to actually learn where food comes from.

      When asked about the independent contractor agreement she had with the district I was able to verify that it was a one time short term contract that facilitated the building of a new teaching garden at Hogan Middle School. Enriching the nutrition education component is the driving force for her, not any one particular pet project. Having come from a corporate management background it’s a given that she faced tough financial decisions required in this recessionary economy.

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  17. November 4, 2014 @ 8:24 am GW

    How to engage our young population so they tune in instead of out, is the key. I want someone who has that ability!

    It is obvious our city is severely divided as usual and as long as we are not speaking with one voice we will remain at the same level, which incidentally is profitable to some people, but does nothing for the Children. Who and what must be at the core of our concerns for the future, but the children? All our efforts have to be for them, that is the only reason, to provide an education that will carry and lift them out of poverty!
    The ability to engage is not coming from the VCUSD so it better come from the voter who has the chance to speak today, November 4, 2014!

    Of course, each one of the candidates is blowing their own horn, the louder the better, with help from supporters or distractors… until they are seated ….and once attaining that seat, they most likely will fit in the same way as those before them and are most likely no longer willing to overturn that boat. After all if only one or two are with you in the goal to do that task, you are still in the minority no matter how many politically correct goals you have promised ….you personally will bring to the table in your bag of tricks.
    It still will take the majority of the new school board to show muscle and pull the wagon in one direction …and as I see it, no one is intent on making an enemy out of the sup from the get go by doing exactly that.

    It is not about Ms. Bishop …..her course for the district, (it is obvious she has her supporters!)….. the racial division she is creating by her actions …..and the people she is surrounding herself with who or determined to remain in power.
    At the present time all efforts should remain to determine and set a new course for the sake of our children. A mind is a terrible thing to waste ….. and there is a lot of wasting happening in this district!

    Vote NO on Measure E!
    Go out there and exercise your right to bring education, morals and respect back into the classroom as the main event, somewhere along the line a sharp left turn a few years ago set them on a course to no where!

    We as a community have no say so who is at the helm of the business end of the district, (that is exactly what it is!) but we will have a say so about the people we give a chance to get elect to the board and then will stand united in advocating for our children so they become useful and productive adults, for our sake as parents and the taxpayer who has the right to receive a great return on their monetary investment we provided over the years.

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